Salut,

On avait remarqué avec les copains que ce problème ne se produisait pas lorsque le porte avions était statique (d'ailleurs on s'enfonçait pas non plus).
Je ne saurai t'en dire plus, si ce n'est  qu'il  faut accélérer (on a tendance à faire le contraire)  au moment où tu prends le brin....Sinon tu te ramasses comme une crêpe.

A+

Merci pour vos réponses.
Je n'ai pas essayé avec le F18 d'acceleration mais avec pas mal d'avions anciens, et certains chasseurs modernes. le problème est identique avec tous les types d'appareils.
Je ne pense pas qu'il s'agisse d'un problème de technique d'atterrissage mais plutôt d'un problème logiciel.

amentiba a écrit:

As tu testé avec le Boeing T45 de Dino Cattanéo ?

Je crois que dans son aircraft.cfg les coordonnées pour la crosse d'appontage sont bien optimisées pour éviter ce problème...

non, mais je le télécharge et je vais essayer.
Merci!

mirageIII2009 a écrit:

amentiba a écrit:

As tu testé avec le Boeing T45 de Dino Cattanéo ?

Je crois que dans son aircraft.cfg les coordonnées pour la crosse d'appontage sont bien optimisées pour éviter ce problème...

non, mais je le télécharge et je vais essayer.
Merci!

Puisque tu vas chercher le T-45 de Dino, pense a telecharger son Tomcat aussi, par la meme occasion

La fine équipe de la french royale navy http://perso.numericable.fr/sonny3/RFN/, bosse dur sur l'amélioration des appontages et catapultages .... affaire à suivre...

bonsoir
Je remets ici car tu ne semble pas avoir vu l'autre topic.

Voila ce qui viens de m'arriver avec le nouvel avion de  dino

Et ceci m'est arrivé aussi sur la terre ferme, sans cable ou autre arrêt possible, juste une traversée de terrain,, donc pour moi c'est du a un déséquilibre de l'avion,(avion F35 qui ne tiens pas sur ses roues comme Dino le décrit dans le mode d'emploi.. l'avion bouge tout seul, frein de parc serrés et calles mises)

J'avais déja signalé ce phénomène dans un précedent topic, je le cherche..
voila mais il est resté sans réponse aussi
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=15858

Dernière modification par pepe-pompero (30-07-2010 19:46:50)

Bonsoir,

J'ai récupéré il y a un moment ceci sur le forum de Sim Outhouse

Added by James F. Chams @2009

             Aircraft AI Carrier Configurations v1.5
            =========================================


Enables Usage of your favorite FSX Addon Aircraft with FSX Acceleration AI Carriers,
Javier Fernandez's USS Nimitz and Eisenhower nuclear carriers packages and Sylvain
Parouty's PA Clemenceau (R 98) v2 French Aircraft Carrier.

Contains correct (Accurate) configurations for the models Tailhooks and Launch bars
locations and the setup to enable them to be used with these AI Carriers correctly.


Developers Models include:
-------------------------

Aerosoft's F-16 (Made at the request by of Forum user "DSWO").
AlphaSim's  A-6, EA-6B, F-5E, Tornado F.3 & F-105D Thunderchief.
CaptainSim XLoad's F/A-18D & C-130 Pro.
Dino Cattaneo's F-14D BETA v0.95 & T-45C v1.85.
Iris F-14A/B (Premium Series/Pro Series), F-4 (RAF & RN), F-15C/E, & EAP (All Varients).
Lotus' Aero L39
Real Flight Studio's Grumman F6F-Hellcat



Installation:
------------

Add these statements to your "Aircraft.Cfg" file to each respective aircraft to enable
them to Launch/Recover correctly from FSX Acceleration Carriers / AICarriers R2R,
Mr. Javier Fernandez's USS Nimitz and Eisenhower nuclear carriers packages, and
Mr. Sylvain Parouty's PA Clemenceau (R 98) v2 French Aircraft Carrier.

Begin by opening the Aircraft.cfg file using Notepad and Scroll Down to the section
that begins with [TailHook].  Or, if NO [Tailhook] Section exists, then scroll to the
End-Of-The-File.  Then, Add these statements to your file(s), save them, and finally
Launch FSX. 


Enjoy!  :)


Credits:
-------
Created by James F. Chams on 09/03/2009 for FREEWARE Use ONLY.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




*************************************** Aerosoft Aircraft: ***************************************************


F-16 Falcon
-----------

Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Aerosoft F-16A 9\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Aerosoft F-16 .... etc. (21 or so folders).


// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================
[TAILHOOK]
tailhook_length                = 4
tailhook_position             = -13.37, 0.00, -2.00  // -15.0, 0.0, -1.0     
cable_force_adjust             = 1.0

// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================
[LAUNCH_ASSISTANCE]
launch_bar_pivot            = 7.30,   0.00, -3.77
launch_bar_lug                = 9.00,   0.00, -4.95




*************************************** ALPHASIM Aircraft: ***************************************************



A-6 Intruder
------------

Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\ALPHA A-6E Intruder Pack 1\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\ALPHA A-6E Intruder Pack 2\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length   =   4.05
tailhook_position = -20.70, 0.00, -1.3   // -17.00, 0.00, -1.3  // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
cable_force_adjust =  1.00


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot = 15.43, 0.0, -5.92
launch_bar_lug = 15.43,  0.0, -7.92



---------------------------------------------------------------------



EA-6B Intruder
--------------

Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\ALPHA EA-6B Prowler\Aircraft.Cfg


[WARNING]: AlphaSim coded the Launch Assist into their model and it is missaligned; I was UNABLE to change that.
       So to Launch you must put the Launch shuttle near the Main gear instead the Nose wheel.  Perhaps
       AlphaSim might update this model at some future date.


// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length   =   4.05
tailhook_position = -20.00, 0.00, -1.3   // -17.00, 0.00, -1.3  // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
cable_force_adjust =  1.00


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================


[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot = -2.25,  -5.00,  -5.95 // This section DOES NOT Work because Model (.mdl) has been coded
launch_bar_lug = -2.25,  -5.00,  -6.95   // with the Launch Assist and it is misaligned to the Main Gear.




---------------------------------------------------------------------



F-5E Tiger II
-------------

Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\ALPHA F-5E Tiger II\Aircraft.Cfg


// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length   =   2.05
tailhook_position = -9.70, 0.00, -3.3  // -15.00, 0.00, -1.3
cable_force_adjust =  1.00


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot= 15.10, 0.00, -2.97
launch_bar_lug= 16.10, 0.00, -4.97


---------------------------------------------------------------------



Tornado F.3
-----------


Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\ALPHA Tornado F3\Aircraft.Cfg


There is NO Tailhook simulated in this model's (.mdl) file and and its keystroke implementations is
married to visuals of intake/exhaust covers, chocks, and others.  It looks weird to deploy your
tailhook only to see these; but the trap via the tailhook function works.


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[LAUNCH_ASSISTANCE]
launch_bar_pivot            = 17.40,   0.00,  -5.42
launch_bar_lug                = 19.40,   0.00,  -7.42


---------------------------------------------------------------------



F-105D Thunderchief
-------------------


Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\ALPHA F-105D Thunderchief\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[Tailhook]
tailhook_length =    8.00
tailhook_position =    -15.50, 0.00, 0.60  // -19.50, 0.00, 0.60 // (feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
cable_force_adjust =    1.00

// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[LAUNCH_ASSISTANCE]
launch_bar_pivot            = 18.00,   0.00,  -5.85
launch_bar_lug                = 20.00,   0.00,  -7.85


---------------------------------------------------------------------



*************************************** CaptainSim's XLoad ****************************************************************



F/A-18D
-------

Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_FA-18D\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[tailhook]
tailhook_length = 4.5
tailhook_position = -51.0, 0, -2.0 // -49.0, 0, -2.0   // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook


Launch Assist in coded into the model's (.mdl) file and is therefore NOT needed here.


---------------------------------------------------------------------


C-130
-----

Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_C130\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX1_C130\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX1_CL130\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX1_KC130\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX2_AC130\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX2_C130\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX2_C133\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_EX2_LC130\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length=   7.05                 // 1       // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
tailhook_position= -17.00, 0.00, -9.3   // 0,0,0,  // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
cable_force_adjust=  1.00               // 0.00001 // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot = 30.21,  0.0, -15.77 
launch_bar_lug = 30.21,  0.0, -17.30



---------------------------------------------------------------------



*************************************** Dino Cattaneo's ******************************************************************



F-14D BETA v0.95
----------------


NOTE: Mr. Dino Cattaneo kindly included my "FIXED" settings into BETA v.0.96 -> v1.07 and Later. 
      So, these settings are ALREADY INCLUDED and NO Longer needed after BETA v.0.96.


Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Grumman_F14D\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length=4                               ;(feet)
tailhook_position=-59.30, 0.0, -2.81, // -48.0, 0.0, -0.81, ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
cable_force_adjust=1.4


Launch Assist in coded into the model's (.mdl) file and is therefore NOT needed here.


---------------------------------------------------------------------




T-45C Goshawk v1.85
-------------------


Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Boeing_T45C\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[tailHook]
tailhook_length=2.5                       
tailhook_position=-15.6, 0.0, -2.63 // -18.6, 0.0, -2.63     // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook       
cable_force_adjust=1.5



Launch Assist in coded into the model's (.mdl) file and is therefore NOT needed here.


---------------------------------------------------------------------




*************************************** IRIS Simulations **********************************************





F-14A/B (Premium Series)
------------------------


Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length=6.6                                       ;(feet)
tailhook_position = -19.0, 0.0, -1.0 // -15.0, 0.0, -1.0  ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
cable_force_adjust = 1.0


// AI Carrier Launch configuration
// Posted on IRIS Website by Dlink
// and Updated/Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =============================================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot=21.6, 0.00, -3.75
launch_bar_lug=24.63, 0.00, -5.40  // 28.63, 0.00, -5.40


---------------------------------------------------------------------


F-14A/B (Pro Series)
--------------------


Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat ACM\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat AInt\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat ASup_1\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat ASup_2\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat Clean\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat TARPS\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14A Tomcat Unarmed\Aircraft.Cfg


...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat AInt\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat CAS\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat Clean\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat FRTP\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat TARPS\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-14B Tomcat Unarmed\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length=6.0                                           ;(feet)
tailhook_position = -19.57, 0.0, -0.967  // -15.847, 0.0, -0.967    ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
cable_force_adjust = 0.75



Launch Assist in coded into the model's (.mdl) file and is therefore NOT needed here.



---------------------------------------------------------------------



F-4 Phantom II
--------------


Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS RAF Phantom FG.1\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS RN Phantom FG.1\Aircraft.Cfg




// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[Tailhook]
tailhook_length=3.0
tailhook_position=-21.7,0.0,-3.0  // -17.5,0.0,0.0
cable_force_adjust=1.0


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot= 18.970,  0.0000,  -5.70
launch_bar_lug= 17.700,  0.0000,  -9.00


---------------------------------------------------------------------



F-15C & F-15E (Lite)
--------------------


Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-15 Eagle\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS F-15SG Strike Eagle\Aircraft.Cfg




// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[Tailhook]
tailhook_length=3.0
tailhook_position=-20.0,0.0,-5.0  // -19.5,0.0,0.0  // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
cable_force_adjust=1.0


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot= 13.00,  0.0000,  -5.00
launch_bar_lug= 14.70,  0.0000,  -7.00


---------------------------------------------------------------------



E.A.P. All Varients
-------------------


NOTE: The EAP has Air Force varients which are land based fighters and do NOT support a visual Tailhook
      or Launch bar. If you extend your tailhook or launch bar you won't visually see them so it may NOT
      visually look good to install it in those varients unless you really want to.  These settings WILL
      work for their respective varients. The ONLY true NAVAL version is the E.A.P. FA-39 Vortex. But,
      its Launch Bar is NOT animated.



E.A.P. Cyclone ES2A
-------------------


Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS Cyclone ES2A\Aircraft.Cfg


// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[Tailhook]
tailhook_length=3.0
tailhook_position=-16.70,0.0,-7.0 //  -19.5,0.0,0.0 // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
cable_force_adjust=1.0


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot= 7.8500,  0.0000,  -5.90
launch_bar_lug= 9.8500,  0.0000,  -7.90




E.A.P., E.A.P. Tempest F2 & E.A.P. FA-39 Vortex
-----------------------------------------------


Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS E.A.P\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS Tempest F2\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS FA-39 Vortex\Aircraft.Cfg



// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[Tailhook]
tailhook_length=3.0
tailhook_position=-16.70,0.0,-5.0 //  -19.5,0.0,0.0 // Modified to align correctly with the Tailhook
cable_force_adjust=1.0


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot= 7.8500,  0.0000,  -5.90
launch_bar_lug= 9.8500,  0.0000,  -7.90


---------------------------------------------------------------------




************************************* Lotus Studios *******************************************



Lotus Aero L-39
---------------


NOTE: The L-39 has Air Force varients which are land based fighters and do NOT support a visual Tailhook
      or Launch bar (i.e. the Launch Bar/Tailhook is NOT animated). If you extend your tailhook or launch
      bar you won't visually see them so it may NOT visually look good to install it in those varients
      unless you really want to.  These settings WILL work for their respective varients.




Modify these "Aircraft.Cfg" File(s) with the statements below for each Model folder:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lotus L-39\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lotus L-39-LR\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lotus L-39-multi\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lotus L-39-race\Aircraft.Cfg
...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lotus L-39-SS\Aircraft.Cfg



// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length   =   4.05
tailhook_position = -12.00, 0.00, -3.3   
cable_force_adjust =  1.00


// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================


[launch_assistance]
launch_bar_pivot = 14.2, 0.000, -5.250 
launch_bar_lug = 14.3, 0.000, -6.650   


---------------------------------------------------------------------



************************************* Real Flight Studios *******************************************




Grumman F6F-Hellcat
-------------------


Modify this "Aircraft.Cfg" File with the statements below:

...\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\RF F6F_Hellcat\Aircraft.Cfg

// Modified by James F. Chams @2009.
// =================================

[TailHook]
tailhook_length = 4
tailhook_position = -19.8, 0, -1  //  -15, 0, -1
cable_force_adjust = 1

// Added by James F. Chams @2009.
// ==============================
[LAUNCH_ASSISTANCE]
launch_bar_pivot= 3.0, 0, -3.1
launch_bar_lug    = 3.0, 0, -3.1

Tout ceci fonctionne bien sur les avions de cette liste que je possède

Bon vols et @+JP

Merci beaucoup,    changement et test rapidement, car je suis pressé de poser le C130 sur le Clem..

Quant a redécoller  heu !!

modif 31/07


he bien on apponte sans probleme sauf qu'il n' a pas de crochet actif (enfin j'ai pas trouvé) et sans frein on termine dans l'eau

par contre on décolle sans trop de difficulté, faut juste pousser les moteurs avant de declencher,et pas s'occuper du panneau arriere qui est trop court


Faut pas mettre détection de crach non plus, car les étendards derriere n'ont plus de queues

Dernière modification par pepe-pompero (31-07-2010 12:54:09)

Daube a écrit:

mirageIII2009 a écrit:

amentiba a écrit:

As tu testé avec le Boeing T45 de Dino Cattanéo ?

Je crois que dans son aircraft.cfg les coordonnées pour la crosse d'appontage sont bien optimisées pour éviter ce problème...

non, mais je le télécharge et je vais essayer.
Merci!

Puisque tu vas chercher le T-45 de Dino, pense a telecharger son Tomcat aussi, par la meme occasion

L"appontage se passe bien avec le F-14 de Dino Cattanéo. (Exceptionnel cet avion). Pour les autres, il doit s'agir d'un problème de configuration.
Je vais modifier le aircraft.cfg comme doe le recommande.
Merci!